trolleydrvr

In the current series of weathering videos by Mike Confalone, has anyone, including Mike produced a list of the material needed to do all the weathering covered in this series? I've come up with seveal oil paint colors and the Pan Pastels, but not sure if I've got them all. 

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Ron Ventura Notace

Here's a shopping list I put together.

I think I've got most of the colours and materials. The check marks and question marks next to the Pan Pastel colours are just notes for me. Check marks indicate "must haves" while question marks are "maybes". This is just based on my viewing of the videos. You may have different opinions.

Weathering
Pan Pastels
  780.8 Raw Umber Tint ? (Beige)
  740.1 Burnt Sienna Extra Dark ☑️
  780.5 Raw Umber ☑️
  800.5 Black ☑️
  780.1 Raw Umber Extra Dark ☑️?
  740.3 Burnt Sienna Shade ☑️
  820.8 Neutral Grey Tint ?
  820.5 Neutral Grey ?

Brushes
  Soft 1/2" Flat
  Soft No. 4 1/8" Flat
  Soft Angled 1/8"
  3/8" & 1/4" Deerfoot for stippling

Oils
  Burnt Sienna (rust)
  Burnt Umber (brown)
  Lamp Black
  Titanium White
  Unbleached Titanium (beige)

Brushes
  3/8" & 1/4" Deerfoot
  Flat/angled Medium
  000 Round
  Soft 1/2" Flat
  Coarse 1/2" Flat

Other
  Turpentine
  Dullcote 
  Skewers 
  Cotton Buds
  Airbrush Jars (for washes)

Washes
  Black - 2/3 jar turps and 1/4" of Lamp Black. Stir and shake well.
  Rust - 2/3 jar turps and 1/4" of Burnt Umber. Stir and shake well.

Ron Ventura

(Melbourne, Australia)

Ron Ventura

Melbourne, Australia

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Ian Millard liverpool_range

Pretty much the same list ...

Yep, I got the same list.

The other day when I went to a local Art shop and ordered the Pan Pastels and purchased some Winsor & Newton oil paints, I asked about the difference between Turpentine and Turpenoid.

The guy recommended me to use a product called "Artists Turpentine" which apparently mixes into the paints better than plain turpentine.  He couldn't comment on the Turpenoid.

I'll be trying the Artists Turpentine.

I also ordered the Red Iron Oxide (380.5) and Titanium White (100.5) Pan Pastels as well.  Mike did use the Red Iron Oxide in one of the car weathering videos (I think).

Cheers.

Ian Millard

Port Macquarie, NSW, Australia

https://liverpoolrange.wordpress.com/

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trolleydrvr

Thanks!

Ron & Ian;

Thanks for the list and the additions! I'm pretty certain I've got it all. Now to just put aside the time

 

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Ron Ventura Notace

What's your location

Hi Ian.

Where are you located? I'm trying to find a good source for the Pan Pastels. I'm in Melbourne. The oils aren't a problem as the are plenty of stores, but the Pan Pastels seem to be less widely carried. I looked at eBay but the postage is a killer.

Ron Ventura

Melbourne, Australia

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Ian Millard liverpool_range

Port Macquarie ...

Ron,

I'm in Port Macquarie, mid North coast NSW.  I managed to get the oils in the shop itself but had to order the Pan Pastels.

I had been looking online at a few places, but yeah, the postage pushes the price up.

There is a mob in Sydney called The Art Scene (artscene.com.au) and I think I looked at a place in Melbourne as well (theartshop.com.au/pan-pastel-pans).

My local guy matched prices for Art Scene @ $10.50 per pan.

I hope this helps.

Ian Millard

Port Macquarie, NSW, Australia

https://liverpoolrange.wordpress.com/

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Chris Ellis

Excellent List

Thanks for putting that list together. It's the brushes I was most curious about. I tend to use whatever I have on hand, so I wouldn't mind picking up a few new brushes for specific weathering purposes.

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ratled

I used a set

I bought this set http://www.amazon.com/Colorfin-PanPastel-Artist-Pastel-Weathering/dp/B007JV8XRK/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1460272793&sr=8-11&keywords=panpastel+setand added black and the red oxide.  There just happens to be two open spots in the set for these to go

 

Steve

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Ibflattop

I would suggest if you cant

I would suggest if you cant get the pan pastels I would just use pastel Chalks. Thats what I use, and I went to the Dollar store and picked up a Cheese Grater on a plastic catch bowl and you can pick up containers with lids so you can keep the ground pastels in them.      Kevin

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joef

Pastel chalks aren't the same

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I would suggest if you cant get the pan pastels I would just use pastel Chalks.

Pastel chalks aren't the same as PanPastels. PanPastels have a creamy texture and include a sticky binder. 

When Dullcote is applied smoothly, PanPastels don't float off the surface into the wet Dullcote like dry chalk does. Because dry chalk has no sticky binder like PanPastels, a smooth coat of Dullcote dissolves much of the dry chalk coating, floating it off the surface and making it fade considerably. PanPastels are barely affected by a smooth final coat of Dullcote.

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RandallG

Pastel chalks aren't the same

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Pastel chalks aren't the same as PanPastels

Oh boy!   Now what do I use the chalks for? I got them thinking they worked the same. Silly me.

Randy

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wp8thsub

Now What?

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Now what do I use the chalks for?

They're still very useful for weathering.

Something I've started to do is apply powdered chalks to a model, then use a wet paper towel or paint brush to turn the chalk into a fine slurry that can be pushed around the details.  I used that idea to build up grime around the ribs on these reefers.

I tried the same thing on this car, with some different colors.  Chalk slurry is highly controllable, and especially useful for lighter weathering applications.

This car received heavier rust on the roof with acrylics, but I still wanted to represent some remaining paint.  I used chalks and drew the paint color directly on the car.

With all of the above, the pastel chalks stay put since they aren't just loosely applied powders.  They also tend to remain after Dullcote is sprayed on.  Also, if you spray the Dullcote first, the chalks will tend to stick no matter what, and are less likely to disappear under subsequent applications of flat finishes.

Chalks are also useful for scenic items, like the exhaust stains on tunnel portals.  These aren't subject to the same handling as freight cars, so there's less concern about any effects wearing off.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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RandallG

Thanks for that Rob. I do

Thanks for that Rob. I do feel a little better now. It seems that the longer I plan and think about my new layout, the more useless stuff I seem to acquire. Seems to me the best way to save money on my layout is to start building it so I stop buying things I will probably never need or use.  And instead of buying Joes new 'Make it Run like a Dream' series, I could write a new ebook.  I think I'll call it 'Dream like a Model Railroader'  

Randy

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Douglas Meyer

What video are we talking

What video are we talking about I am looking for a good plan pastal how to.

-Doug M

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jimbob133

Pan Pastels video

Hi Doug , the video is in the Train Masters TV video series by Mike Confalone about Weathering rolling stock and Motive power . If you are not a member of TMTV it is money well spent , not sure of the how much off the top of my head but it's not much. The videos are very well made {HD} informative  and a few of the guys will make you laugh while teaching something at the same time . All the people  in them are very good at what they do and a wide range of topics is covered . I have been a member of TMTV from its inception and glad that i am .

Jim Ross

P.S. Did i mention that they put out 4 to 6 videos a month witch is more than another Mag. that i also subscribe to.

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