CL30

Stan has been behind our project from day one, currently he's got an injured back and is out of work but he is gratefully plying away at this build to help us promote the work we've been doing.

This image shows our DP 1089 pilot mated to a DP 6051 pilot sheet and our frame kit for the GP 34' Bolster series.

You can also see our DP 6099 MU & Pin Lifter Brackets.

Here is a closer view of the DP 6099.  We have recently revised all of our pin lifters to add new EMD versions and also tighten up the center where it loops around the outer components.

Next up is the addition of our pilot bracing, DP 6328 and the EMD steps, DP 6014.  Using brass isn't that hard with a bit of practice.  There are some new Microscale adhesives that work quite well and you can also use solder which makes the assembly bullet proof.  The fine scale look definitely beats the look of plastic, every time.

Here is another view of the steps.  We also have matching tread plates for all of our steps with various nose lengths, step wells, anti-climbers and such.  Once the tread is over the deck, your seams disappear.  The treads are ultra-thin so they are scale and they are also cut like the real treads so modification if needed for RTR models is a lot easier than having larger deck plates.  The latest batch that came in January use bronze so there is no warp.

Next up is the under-frame bracing.  The under-frame bracing, this is MK 7000, does two things.  One it is a great detail part, and second, it gives you pilot locations for your under-frame details.  

Trim below if needed.

All of the locations where marked as seen above.  After doing this, apply the strip to the model.

This bit extra work with the marker ensures that everything will line up correctly when the under-frame bracing is applied.

Next use shims to add a bit of pressure while the adhesive dries.

Here is the applied bracing.

You are not done yet though.  Sorry, but the pilot holes all have to be drilled.

So once you got the hole drilled next to the bit, remove the tab with a razor blade.  The bracket you see to the right of the tip is what goes here.

Here is another area where the tab must be removed.  The two half etched lines mark the location to cut.

You can add the DP 6215 traction motor circles next.

Use the DP 6205 pillow blocks and DP 6216 0.015" OD solder for your cabling.  This last image shows the MK 4060 1700 US GAL fuel tank.  Once it's on snuggly, there will be a scale inch gap between the top of it and the fuel tank.  Just like the prototype.  No motor to block the view, again, just like the real thing.

So we're trying to do a major sales push now to wrap up a number of projects.  We have an entirely new electrical control system for our kits that includes prototypical lighting that has everything needed to use LED's and we're also using the best methods for motor control.  The MCU can use either straight DC, DCC through the rails, or our new Tablet with the integrated Zigbee transceiver for control.  Add a new Li-PO battery and you have an engine that just needs segments of track power to recharge.  Recharge is three hours, battery life is about four without charging during operation.

Pre-orders only cover at most about 25% of the costs of these projects.  This stuff is majorly expensive.  We're very limited in resources but we've kept the sales that come inside the company.  My volunteers and I are totally swamped with daily jobs and home life so its taken some time but we're almost there.  So please bear with us, and continue the support.  At this point we have hoods, trucks and a number of details in tooling.  Our electrical system is starting the final round of design so its planned to be ready in May.

All the best,

Christopher Howard, President

Railflyer Model Prototypes Inc.

http://www.railflyermodel.com

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santa fe 1958

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'Railflyer GP38AC by Stan Sienicki - WARNING IF YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO MODEL, YOU WILL NOT APPRECIATE HIS WORK!'

Just because someone doesn't follow your idea of modeling means that they are lazy!

Brian

 

 

Brian

Deadwood City Railroad, modeling a Santa Fe branch line in the 1960's!

http://deadwoodcityrailroad.blogspot.co

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PeterU

Start by insulting people?

Here's a company I will "never" do business with.

Peter Ulvestad

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JRG1951

I Agree

Christopher,

I think the use of "LAZY" to be a poor choice. It looks like a fine high quality model, that will be a challenge to build! It will also be a fine model to own. Perhaps "a model for the discriminating hands on modeler" would fit the bill better?

Regards,

John

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wp8thsub

Give the guy a break

Perhaps the title was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.  I'm not taking it as an insult anyway.  It's not always possible to discern intent from a web posting.

Railflyer makes some nice products.  One of my buddies is a big proponent of their stuff, and I've seen some of the diesels he's built using Railflyer components.  Once my layout is far enough along I can spare the time needed to do some more diesel modeling I'd like to try some as well.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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CL30

The title is OK

Truth is, if you do not appreciate the work or feel up to the challenge, you will never be a customer of this level of product.

If a title like this offends, you got a pretty thin skin, if its not your thing, that's OK, but to say its offensive is a quite a stretch.  We're serious about our products, not your sensibilities, most in this hobby need a wake up call that there are different ideas and way of doing things.

Our standards are on par with other genres of modeling, model railroading is basically 20 years behind them, where 20 years ago it was leading edge.

Christopher Howard, President.

Railflyer Model Prototypes Inc.

http://www.railflyermodel.com

 

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dfandrews

The title

Christopher,

The truth is, the Title was offensive, or "turn-off-ish" enough, that I avoided even clicking on in until today.  So, in my view a good business decision would be to avoid those things which turn away customers.  Will I use this product, probably not.  But a friend of mine scatchbuilds steam and diesel locomotives, is not routinely on the internet, and if I don't tell him about this, he'll probably not know of it for 6 months.  Get my drift?

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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Sean Martin

Great modeling - title bit of a turn off. . .

Great modeling but the title was a little bit of a turnoff as someone else stated. 

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Alexedwin

The "Title" does not make

The "Title" does not make good business sense.

Alex

One day I might be modeling the Puffing Billy Railway, Victoria, Australia.

My location - Queensland, Australia.

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herronp

Mr. Howard...........

I certainly appreciate your seriousness about your products and your opinion that we need to wake up and take a 20 year leap forward, however I don't think your superior attitude toward your way of model manufacturing and your negative attitude about our standards would make your marketing department very happy! 

"Your stuff" might be light years ahead of "our stuff", but I think that is a decision we, the consumers,  not you the manufacturer get to make.

Peter Herron

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Paulster

Ha, you're right,

Ha, you're right, Christopher, I will NEVER be a customer of your products. Your response as president of your company is unbelievable.
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caboose14

products

as far as the products go, these do look impressive. As far as the title of the post goes, i can see where some might find it a little offensive. But more than that, title doesnt make sense in my mind. If you are to lazy to model, i would think you would find this stuff particularly impressive and would admire the craftsmanship as something you probably never could or would be able to do. 

Kevin Klettke CEO, Washington Northern Railroad
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rickwade

The title is not OK nor is the response from Mr Howard

While I do appreciate the quality of the work I don't appreciate the title nor Mr. Howard's reply. I'm going to think about if I want to post my displeasure on my website (over 50,000 hits) and advise the 190 + members of the Piedmont Division of the NMRA here in Atlanta. Good advertising = good thing / bad advertising = bad thing. Rick

Rick

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Paulster

I agree, Kevin. What I don't

I agree, Kevin. I actually was very impressed with the details. What I don't understand is that the moment there were negative comments, the president of any company would try and diffuse it. Christopher actually does the opposite and puts more fuel on the fire. Lol, it's kind of funny, really.
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rfbranch

Am I Lazy?

Maybe...but I'm definitely ​too stupid to buy whatever this product is because I have no idea what it is from yout posy (a new GP38 I guess?) nor can I find it in the 30 seconds or so I spent looking over the railflyer website.  

Best of luck!

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Bluesssman

Rich (rtw3rd) you are right on...

I have spent almost 36 years in advertising and any time consumers start telling a company about something they do not like, the budget for new advertising just went up 10 fold. When you start justifying that what you are doing is OK, add another 10 times for additional advertising. Rather gets silly.

If the OP had just simply said sorry, you guys are right it was rude of me and I did not mean it that way, this whole thread would have gotten back to the subject of parts his company offers. 

Gary

 

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Head of clean up, repairs and nurturing of the eccentric owner

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slsfrr

My goodness lightened up!

My goodness lightened up! Lets move on……

Jerome

Oklahoma City

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Benny

Then fix it and move on....

This is all in Christopher's hand's to fix...retitle the thread and move on.

No matter how good your products are, this approach is like trying to catch honeybees with vinegar.

I have yet to see a successful business engage in this method and survive.

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Ken Biles Greyhart

Marketing

Quote:

I have yet to see a successful business engage in this method and survive.

Actually it does work, and quite effectively. Just watch any Infomercial. 

The thing about effective marketing is that you must know your audience. I'm willing to bet that most if not all of those who took offense at the title, wouldn't be detailing to that level anyway. Does that make any of us lazy? Of course not, but the person who does model to that level of detail might think we are, and they are his customer, not us.

Personally my models are for running trains, not sitting on a museum shelf, or looking like they should. They get handled, and even man handled at times. The 0-5-0 has a tendency to break off fine details. Do I appreciate the time and effort it takes to make a model with that fidelity? Absolutely! I might even try building one someday, but my first priority is function.

That's good enough. Other modelers want to count every rivet and get them right. Those are the people I'll point to this thread, and with 60,000 modelers looking here every month, chances are he's got a market here.

 

 Ken Biles

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Rio Grande Dan

OK giant Photos of What and

Where is the Finished Product and where is the Boiler? Or does it have a propeller?

Rio Grande Dan

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Paulster

Dan, I believe the propeller

Dan, I believe the propeller installation is in the next video...stay tuned!

WARNING: Lazy people should not watch it though! 

Alright, I'm finished...

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empirestatejr

Things I Hate about Model Railroading

Well, this is one that is on the top of my list, Imperious people looking down there nose at others because they do not wish to model an exact replica of a model, a location, a timetable operation, etc to their self imposed superior outlook on the hobby. This is an advertisement trying to sell products to model railroaders no less. So if I choose not to allot the time required or do not have the time required to build models with this companies products that makes me too lazy to model in the eyes of the company owner. Are you kidding me. Whatever happened to just having fun? If modeling to this level of detail is your idea of fun, great. If mine is not, I'm lazy?  Please. Get over yourself, it's only a model train to fellow modelers and a toy to everyone else.

John R

PS, Now I have something to post on things I hate about model railroading.

 

 

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Mike Rosenberg

I have yet to see a

Quote:

I have yet to see a successful business engage in this method and survive.

But when they fail, it's never their fault.  It's always because the customers were too stupid to know how wonderful the company was.

 

 

Mike

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CL30

The title appears to be aptly

The title appears to be aptly named.  

How many have really paid attention to the content and not the group think?  If you took offense and felt it necessary to post negatively, then its very likely you are not a diesel modeler.  So why bother posting, just ignore it, the guys who do model locomotives get the title.

I don't see very many posts that appreciate the work Stan or even what I have done to produce this level of product.  

Anybody with a bit of effort can model to a higher standard than seen in pre-assembled products.  

The title did get your attention, it is excellent marketing as Kevin suggested.  Maybe only 5% of the hobby does this type of work. That is very unlikely to change.  However when the web hits go up, maybe one more of the 5% will catch some word of mouth. 

We do sell a growing amount of products outside of the locomotive details.  We have a Zigbee Tablet that can be used for home automation and layout control, new motor control units (decoders), LED's, and speakers.  So give us a chance there if you don't want to build locomotives.  We have a lot of awesome things in the works, and unfortunately some have to be NMRA compliant.  

That said, I worked out a deal to release a new product for the sensitive among us, it will be model railroader approved.

All the best,

Christopher Howard, President

Railflyer Model Prototypes Inc.

http://www.railflyermodel.com

24 = 24% off our web-site between 03/21 - 03/24

 

 

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traintalk

I don't see this as a problem

I don't see the authors comments as a problem. He is selling to a niche market. Those who are interested in that detail will buy his product. It is good that we have companies that will produce this detail. He may need a better marketing manager.

I model early steam and most of my engines are old brass, so I do work in brass repair, but I don't think they will have a product to match my scale and era.

Bill

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